Curse

hidden_agenda · Jul 08, 2005, 06:19 PM // 18:19

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Originally Posted by kungfumonkey2

All of you people that want to toggle capes, must of never played a team sport, or been part of any sort of team.

Keep the capes and NO TOGGLE. haveing a cape should keep you accountable. You represent your guild. So, if you are a jerk then when ever I see someone with your same cape, I know hey that is jerk's guild over there. The same goes if you are a cool guild. Yes I know you would keep the TAG still, but so many guilds have the same tag.

We had a cape issue last week actually in our guild. We used to have a pinkish V on the back. Well several members did not like it. So, we put it up for a vote as a poll in our forums. The majority of the guild voted to change the V to a darker shade of red. So, we changed it.

Maybe you should light a candle instead of sitting cursing the darkness? Talk to your guild about the cape design. If you do not have a voice then it isnt that nice of a guild anyways.

As far as the cape ghosting thru armor weapons and what not, that is a simple fix. That I hope will come about. In the mean time if it annoys you so much like it did me, just buy new armor. lol

I think you bring up valid points (albeit I do disagree with them)

1. Accountability -- The problem with this is that while individual actions may reflect poorly on a group, it doesn't mean that everyone in that group will act as the individual in question. In effect, if someone from Europe plays on an American district for a day and had a bad time with some immature players, does that mean all the players in American districts are jerks? So I am not sure how the accountability will work in practice.

2. Identification with a Guild -- This sort of derives from the accountability aspect you mentioned above. The implication is that you believe that people can be identified by their guild capes. Personally, I find the cape nearly useless for identification purposes in the towns. Some reasons why:
--> they are not unique (that's right, it's possible for two guilds to have the same exact cape emblems that only differs a teeny bit by color gradient)
--> even when they are look different, alot of them looks nearly exactly the same (I've had the experience of mistakening someone to be in my guild because his guild cape -- dark purple to black gradient with silver emblem -- is almost exactly the same -- dark purple to navy blue gradient with silver emblem -- as that of my former guild).

3. Asking your guild to change the design -- First of all, saying this is somewhat the equivalent of saying "a cape will fit all occasions." Seriously, how can any cape design work with the monk's full tattoo set or the necro's full scar set? I once saw a monk in the Krytan coast in the tattoo set with a guild cape, and it's like someone wearing a bikini on the beach with a superman cape -- it's ridiculous and silly looking. Sometimes, it's not just the design -- it's the cape itself.

Second of all, let me ask what would have happened if you hated your cape design but the people in your guild voted not to change it? In this case, many of us would like the option of not walking around with something that looks ugly to us. Guild solidarity is not the issue -- individual's visual preferences is the choice here -- why not give people the freedom to choose?

asd334 · Jul 08, 2005, 06:40 PM // 18:40

I agree let us change the placing of the guild seal

blackbird71 · Jul 08, 2005, 08:13 PM // 20:13

Quote:

Originally Posted by kungfumonkey2

All of you people that want to toggle capes, must of never played a team sport, or been part of any sort of team.

Keep the capes and NO TOGGLE. haveing a cape should keep you accountable. You represent your guild. So, if you are a jerk then when ever I see someone with your same cape, I know hey that is jerk's guild over there. The same goes if you are a cool guild. Yes I know you would keep the TAG still, but so many guilds have the same tag.

We had a cape issue last week actually in our guild. We used to have a pinkish V on the back. Well several members did not like it. So, we put it up for a vote as a poll in our forums. The majority of the guild voted to change the V to a darker shade of red. So, we changed it.

Maybe you should light a candle instead of sitting cursing the darkness? Talk to your guild about the cape design. If you do not have a voice then it isnt that nice of a guild anyways.

As far as the cape ghosting thru armor weapons and what not, that is a simple fix. That I hope will come about. In the mean time if it annoys you so much like it did me, just buy new armor. lol

First off, your assumption about playing team sports is false, if you'd read my earlier post, i've done sports and other activities with even more prominent uniforms. Your analogy of sports only proves our point. When you play team sports, are you wearing a uniform the day before the game? or a few hours before? How about afterwards? You wear the uniform when you are acting with the team, plain and simple. When you are away from the team,what's the point in the uniform?

If you want me to take your accountability arguement seriously, you are going to have to prove that you can recognize guilds by their capes alone. List 20 guilds and give detailed descriptions of their capes No cheating! you can't be in game looking at them when you do this! It has to be from memory! If you don't know who a guild is by their cape, then you can't hold the guild accountable, now can you? You already admit that some guilds have the same tag, well for all intents and purposes, some have the same cape too. This argument just doesn't hold up.

Telling us to resolve the issue in our own guilds is pointless as well. If you'd actually read the posts, you'd see that many of the guilds agree that they don't want the capes on all the time, this isn't a matter of internal guild disputes over what the individual capes look like, it's a question of whether the capes are appropriate or match in 100% of situations and whether we should have the option of not using them in non-PvP situations - like after the game, you're not going to wear your helmet and shoulderpads to the homecoming dance. Or maybe you would, if so, let me know and I'll bring my camera

Nairo · Jul 08, 2005, 10:38 PM // 22:38

Quote:

Originally Posted by kungfumonkey2

All of you people that want to toggle capes, must of never played a team sport, or been part of any sort of team.

Keep the capes and NO TOGGLE. haveing a cape should keep you accountable. You represent your guild. So, if you are a jerk then when ever I see someone with your same cape, I know hey that is jerk's guild over there. The same goes if you are a cool guild. Yes I know you would keep the TAG still, but so many guilds have the same tag.

We had a cape issue last week actually in our guild. We used to have a pinkish V on the back. Well several members did not like it. So, we put it up for a vote as a poll in our forums. The majority of the guild voted to change the V to a darker shade of red. So, we changed it.

Maybe you should light a candle instead of sitting cursing the darkness? Talk to your guild about the cape design. If you do not have a voice then it isnt that nice of a guild anyways.

As far as the cape ghosting thru armor weapons and what not, that is a simple fix. That I hope will come about. In the mean time if it annoys you so much like it did me, just buy new armor. lol

Also, I would like to add that people have said that while they would like the toggle ability, they have also said that capes should be "forced" on during PvP. No one's ever said that that was a bad idea.

Oh, and /sign!

Arctic Strike · Jul 09, 2005, 12:37 AM // 00:37

must.. have.. t o g l l e

Seriously, the cape gets old after a while, but other times it's cool.
Just give me a fricken toggle.

/signed

anti_z3r0 · Jul 09, 2005, 02:02 AM // 02:02

/sign

again

until ANet responds to this

Feli · Jul 09, 2005, 07:20 PM // 19:20

Î support this... many armors just look awful with that cape behind it.

none · Jul 09, 2005, 07:23 PM // 19:23

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As far as the cape ghosting thru armor weapons and what not, that is a simple fix.

I don't know how you came to that conclusion, but to me it looks as if it would be awfully difficult and would require alot of work done on the engine itself to stop the ghosting. As it is now, capes just float (always in the same manner, if you look closely, although it looks as if it were 'physically correct'). If they wanted to change that, they would have to add some kind of collision detection to capes and armors, which leads to many more problems, like giving capes an own physical model ... actually, I think it's pretty much impossible to do with the current engine, if you don't want the system requ's go up astronomically.

*still for toggleable capes*

Tater_Knuts · Jul 09, 2005, 07:28 PM // 19:28

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Originally Posted by anti_z3r0

again
until ANet responds to this

...and it makes me tune them out quicker.

Lower your voice and strengthen your argument. In the end, acknowledge that ArenaNet may not think this is important.

Rayea · Jul 09, 2005, 09:47 PM // 21:47

if they didnt think it was important to look good and feel good about your character, then why would they alow us to persuade them into better 15k armour? wouldnt the original stuff do the job?

Tater_Knuts · Jul 09, 2005, 09:57 PM // 21:57

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Originally Posted by Tater_Knuts

acknowledge that ArenaNet may not think this is important.

I didn't ascribe an opinion of lack of importance to ArenaNet, I merely pointed out the possibility.

Pashet · Jul 10, 2005, 02:19 AM // 02:19

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Originally Posted by Ikinsey

I disagree, if you are going to be in a guild you need to wear your cape, if you dont think so, leave the guild.

That is so dumb. Why would you want to wear a uniform 24 hours a day? Even cashiers take off their aprons when they go out for a smoke. Come on. It would be nice to see something other than the cape once in a while. Like what the back of your armor looks like after you buy it. I don't want to leave my guild just for that.

Andy_M · Jul 10, 2005, 02:45 AM // 02:45

Why would you leave a guild about something as insignificant as a cape ? Hardly important is it ? Agree about the silly hats though..

none · Jul 10, 2005, 07:42 AM // 07:42

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Originally Posted by Andy_M

Why would you leave a guild about something as insignificant as a cape ? Hardly important is it ? Agree about the silly hats though..

You sure it is insignificant? If we're talking PvE, what is currently most expensive? Apart from those SupVig and SupAbsorp (prices for those are falling drastically anyway) - it's the materials for Fissure Armors. Armors itself are the most expensive thing you can buy from NPCs. And all those expensive armors are only about one thing: looks, looks and looks. As already mentioned by someone else, if they want me to spend alot of money to just look better, they surely understand that a cape that is ruining the look of my characters is more than just a minor nuisance.

btw, I won't leave a guild because of the cape. But I'm not joining a new one either (since my old one disbanded and I finally could see the back of my 15k-armors)

blackbird71 · Jul 11, 2005, 01:34 AM // 01:34

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Originally Posted by Tater_Knuts

...and it makes me tune them out quicker.

Lower your voice and strengthen your argument. In the end, acknowledge that ArenaNet may not think this is important.

Many people in this thread have posted some very valuable arguments, after 6 pages of posts, they don't need to be repeated by everyone, signing the post means they agree and echo with what has been said, so if you want to talk about the strength of arguments, why not look at the ones that spell it out instead of flaming one person for agreeing with the rest?

crazy diamond · Jul 11, 2005, 01:42 AM // 01:42

I demand to see the backside of my scarred necro!

Argon The Seeker · Jul 11, 2005, 02:28 AM // 02:28

/signed

This really needs to be implemented I totally agree!

Chronos the Defiler · Jul 11, 2005, 03:34 AM // 03:34

me 2....i WAS in a guild but i think my warrior with knights curiass and leggings and platemail helm/boots and gloves ALL dyed silver looks DAMN BYTCHIN without a cape in the way....so i left them :P

/sign

MAKE IT TOGGLE CAPABLE

Tater_Knuts · Jul 11, 2005, 04:00 AM // 04:00

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Originally Posted by blackbird71

...signing the post means they agree and echo with what has been said, so if you want to talk about the strength of arguments, why not look at the ones that spell it out instead of flaming one person for agreeing with the rest?

I wouldn't say I flamed him, exactly. Perhaps I inferred the poster was acting childish.

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Originally Posted by anti_z3r0

/sign again until ANet responds to this

This was not an agreement with the argument... the again indicates the poster is merely trying to bump the thread into visibility. If the issue itself had enough importance to the comunity, it's visibility wouldn't be an issue.

crazy diamond · Jul 11, 2005, 04:06 AM // 04:06

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Originally Posted by Tater_Knuts

This was not an agreement with the argument... the again indicates the poster is merely trying to bump the thread into visibility. If the issue itself had enough importance to the comunity, it's visibility wouldn't be an issue.

So every poster is expected to repeat ad nauseum the same thing that has already been stated?

The way you put it all those '/singed' count as nothing more than bumps, which is bull.